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		<title>by: Texas Rainmaker &#187; The Grammys Are a Joke</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-38217</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Yeah, they&#8217;ve validated that a group can see their fan base all but disappear with concerts cancelled for lack of interest and still gain industry recognition for purely political purposes. In the words of American Idol&#8217;s Randy Jackson, &#8220;Welcome to Hollywood, baby!&#8221; &#8220;I think people are using their freedom of speech tonight with all of these awards,&#8221; Maines said. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Yeah, they&#8217;ve validated that a group can see their fan base all but disappear with concerts cancelled for lack of interest and still gain industry recognition for purely political purposes. In the words of American Idol&#8217;s Randy Jackson, &#8220;Welcome to Hollywood, baby!&#8221; &#8220;I think people are using their freedom of speech tonight with all of these awards,&#8221; Maines said. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: nita rene</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5229</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ahhh, poor wittle baby gurls.....just saw on the evening news that their wittle Houston concert's been canceled cuz nobody wants to see those wittle chick-a-dees! &lt;b&gt;WAY TO GO HOUSTON!!&lt;/b&gt;

You can bet your sweet a$$ I won't be seeing them in Austin either!  Time will tell if that concert is a go but since they are from around here maybe they can get enough family to attend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, poor wittle baby gurls&#8230;..just saw on the evening news that their wittle Houston concert&#8217;s been canceled cuz nobody wants to see those wittle chick-a-dees! <b>WAY TO GO HOUSTON!!</b></p>
<p>You can bet your sweet a$$ I won&#8217;t be seeing them in Austin either!  Time will tell if that concert is a go but since they are from around here maybe they can get enough family to attend!
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		<title>by: City of Canals</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5207</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5207</guid>
					<description>Nahinni, I was going to let this go but, well, I just couldn't. You wrote:

"To me a spectacular selling album is one which sells in excess of a million copies the day it is released."

LOL. A million copies? On the day of release? That's quite a threshold for success! Perhaps you meant the first week of release. If that was your intention then it's still quite a high threshold since there's only about a dozen albums that have achieved that and it's almost exclusivly mass-marketed teen pop/rap stuff.

But never-the-less I'll take you for your word. Please cite the albums that have sold one million records on the day of release. I'm assuming you'll be able to name at least a dozen or so.

There was more problems with your post but we'll just keep it simple.

TakeCare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nahinni, I was going to let this go but, well, I just couldn&#8217;t. You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;To me a spectacular selling album is one which sells in excess of a million copies the day it is released.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL. A million copies? On the day of release? That&#8217;s quite a threshold for success! Perhaps you meant the first week of release. If that was your intention then it&#8217;s still quite a high threshold since there&#8217;s only about a dozen albums that have achieved that and it&#8217;s almost exclusivly mass-marketed teen pop/rap stuff.</p>
<p>But never-the-less I&#8217;ll take you for your word. Please cite the albums that have sold one million records on the day of release. I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;ll be able to name at least a dozen or so.</p>
<p>There was more problems with your post but we&#8217;ll just keep it simple.</p>
<p>TakeCare
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		<title>by: Nahanni</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5157</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5157</guid>
					<description>City of Canals,

Their album has not sold 1 million copies yet. Not THAT fantastic of a seller despite the hoopla, media blitz and it being #1 on Billboard. That is a very lackluster performance all things considered. The album is a dud.

To me a spectacular selling album is one which sells in excess of a million copies the day it is released. But that is just me, someone who worked in the music industry for 7 years. 

As to their tour I have noted that they are "restructuring" their tour dates and moving their performances in about half of the cities to smaller venues. To me that indicates that they thought that seeing as she said she was "sowwy" for her statements that all would be forgiven and the fans would come flocking back. They miscaluclated to their great expense-they are learning the harsh lesson that one should not piss off your fan base by saying stupid things about them, their musical tastes and their beliefs. They are going to learn that the product they are selling is not something that people need to survive, so any money spent on it is elective and people have plenty of choices in where to make their elective spending.

As you know they have to pay a booking fee for a venue before announcing it as a tour stop. They are losing money on the cancellations of the larger venues. I do also note that the only stops that are selling well enough to avoid moving them are in "blue" states not known large populations of country music fans like Massachusetts. 

My analysis of the situations stands, hun. Despite the humongous amounts of lipstick you and others are trying to put on this pig. They have pissed off their fan base so badly it is to the point of no return and their "new" fans are really not the kind that will stick with them because the only reason they are purchasing their product is political, not because they truly love it. My prediction is within 5 years they will be playing Starbucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>City of Canals,</p>
<p>Their album has not sold 1 million copies yet. Not THAT fantastic of a seller despite the hoopla, media blitz and it being #1 on Billboard. That is a very lackluster performance all things considered. The album is a dud.</p>
<p>To me a spectacular selling album is one which sells in excess of a million copies the day it is released. But that is just me, someone who worked in the music industry for 7 years. </p>
<p>As to their tour I have noted that they are &#8220;restructuring&#8221; their tour dates and moving their performances in about half of the cities to smaller venues. To me that indicates that they thought that seeing as she said she was &#8220;sowwy&#8221; for her statements that all would be forgiven and the fans would come flocking back. They miscaluclated to their great expense-they are learning the harsh lesson that one should not piss off your fan base by saying stupid things about them, their musical tastes and their beliefs. They are going to learn that the product they are selling is not something that people need to survive, so any money spent on it is elective and people have plenty of choices in where to make their elective spending.</p>
<p>As you know they have to pay a booking fee for a venue before announcing it as a tour stop. They are losing money on the cancellations of the larger venues. I do also note that the only stops that are selling well enough to avoid moving them are in &#8220;blue&#8221; states not known large populations of country music fans like Massachusetts. </p>
<p>My analysis of the situations stands, hun. Despite the humongous amounts of lipstick you and others are trying to put on this pig. They have pissed off their fan base so badly it is to the point of no return and their &#8220;new&#8221; fans are really not the kind that will stick with them because the only reason they are purchasing their product is political, not because they truly love it. My prediction is within 5 years they will be playing Starbucks.
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		<title>by: City of Canals</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5132</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5132</guid>
					<description>Well, were getting into the weeds here but what the heck.

First, there's nothing "unimpressive" about having your album spend two consecutive weeks at #1. Thats a success. Pure and Simple. Slow week or not.

Also the phrase you cited actually works against your point because you didn't cite the context.

"”a slow week for new album releases…a slip of 48% in sales …”"

Here is what the article says regarding the 48% drop:

"Out of the 13 albums that have taken No. 1 on the big chart so far this year, only four had a second week sales decline of less than 50%"

Now, I'm fully prepared to concede that I'm reading this wrong. But this is how I'm reading it: Most albums that debut at #1 have a second week sales drop of more that 50%.    Therefore the Dixie Chicks album actually defied the expectation and declined less in the second week than most albums that debut at #1 do. In other words, it did good!

Glad to see you coming around though. In about two weeks time their album should be rated Platinum. And let me tell you this: There isn't a music act on this earth that would'nt like the failure of a platinum sales album. ;)

TakeCare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, were getting into the weeds here but what the heck.</p>
<p>First, there&#8217;s nothing &#8220;unimpressive&#8221; about having your album spend two consecutive weeks at #1. Thats a success. Pure and Simple. Slow week or not.</p>
<p>Also the phrase you cited actually works against your point because you didn&#8217;t cite the context.</p>
<p>&#8220;”a slow week for new album releases…a slip of 48% in sales …”&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is what the article says regarding the 48% drop:</p>
<p>&#8220;Out of the 13 albums that have taken No. 1 on the big chart so far this year, only four had a second week sales decline of less than 50%&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m fully prepared to concede that I&#8217;m reading this wrong. But this is how I&#8217;m reading it: Most albums that debut at #1 have a second week sales drop of more that 50%.    Therefore the Dixie Chicks album actually defied the expectation and declined less in the second week than most albums that debut at #1 do. In other words, it did good!</p>
<p>Glad to see you coming around though. In about two weeks time their album should be rated Platinum. And let me tell you this: There isn&#8217;t a music act on this earth that would&#8217;nt like the failure of a platinum sales album. <img src='http://www.texasrainmaker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>TakeCare.
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		<title>by: Jim U</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5121</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, I had to make the discussion political. That's what we're here for right? :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I had to make the discussion political. That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re here for right? :^)
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		<title>by: Jim U</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5120</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5120</guid>
					<description>City, you see, by following my suggestion you've cleared up some of the confusion. Well done. I'm not so sure that the Billboard 200 is the only metric that "counts", but ok. 

The Dixie's article you've linked only makes their #1 look even more unimpressive with ,"a slow week for new album releases...a slip of 48% in sales ...", and,"Disney's "High School Musical" holds tight at No. 2 in its 21st week on the chart," yikes.

The Dixies can do and say what they want, but they shouldn't get bewildered when people don't agree with them and take action. The President has certainly had to learn this lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>City, you see, by following my suggestion you&#8217;ve cleared up some of the confusion. Well done. I&#8217;m not so sure that the Billboard 200 is the only metric that &#8220;counts&#8221;, but ok. </p>
<p>The Dixie&#8217;s article you&#8217;ve linked only makes their #1 look even more unimpressive with ,&#8221;a slow week for new album releases&#8230;a slip of 48% in sales &#8230;&#8221;, and,&#8221;Disney&#8217;s &#8220;High School Musical&#8221; holds tight at No. 2 in its 21st week on the chart,&#8221; yikes.</p>
<p>The Dixies can do and say what they want, but they shouldn&#8217;t get bewildered when people don&#8217;t agree with them and take action. The President has certainly had to learn this lesson.
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		<title>by: City of Canals</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5038</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim, I've used the only metric for album sales that counts in the music business: the Billboard 200 (links below). It's based on Neilsen SoundScan data. Meaning, it's about 90% based on retail sales at the register. It's a sales chart and not a radio chart. They have separate radio charts.

Also, in regards to your "styles" query. There is a Top Country Albums chart. The Dixies are also #1 for the second week in a row in that chart.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002649081

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/about_us/bbmethodology.jsp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I&#8217;ve used the only metric for album sales that counts in the music business: the Billboard 200 (links below). It&#8217;s based on Neilsen SoundScan data. Meaning, it&#8217;s about 90% based on retail sales at the register. It&#8217;s a sales chart and not a radio chart. They have separate radio charts.</p>
<p>Also, in regards to your &#8220;styles&#8221; query. There is a Top Country Albums chart. The Dixies are also #1 for the second week in a row in that chart.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002649081" rel="nofollow">http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002649081</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/about_us/bbmethodology.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/about_us/bbmethodology.jsp</a>
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		<title>by: Jim U</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5028</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>City of Canals, if you could please site what rating system you've used to cite 2 weeks at #1, it may help. Different sources use different methods to rate sales (i.e number of units shipped to distributors vs. number of units sold at cash registers and digital downloads). Some ratings even go by the number of caller requests for a particular song, so understanding your source may in fact help identify the methodology used to rate the Dixies as a #1 album for two weeks. don't forget, there are also #1's based on musical catagories (styles) too. I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>City of Canals, if you could please site what rating system you&#8217;ve used to cite 2 weeks at #1, it may help. Different sources use different methods to rate sales (i.e number of units shipped to distributors vs. number of units sold at cash registers and digital downloads). Some ratings even go by the number of caller requests for a particular song, so understanding your source may in fact help identify the methodology used to rate the Dixies as a #1 album for two weeks. don&#8217;t forget, there are also #1&#8217;s based on musical catagories (styles) too. I hope this helps.
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		<title>by: City of Canals</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5010</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/06/07/dixie-chicks-lesson-continues/#comment-5010</guid>
					<description>Nahanni, you make some good points. But what your ultimately describing is the effect of publicity and marketing on product sales. Needless to say, this is nothing new. It's what publicity campaigns are designed to do: sell.

And if almost every top-selling movie, book and CD sold can be explained away publicity driven (and it can) than the reason negates itself.

To further reinforce your point, I do think that there were some curiosity sales and even some politicialy driven sales  but certainly not enough to place the album at #1 for two weeks in a row. To reinforce that: For the last two weeks, the Dixie Chicks have sold more albums than any other recording artist in the United States. In my book, thats a success.

But this is moot since this is not the point out host is making. In this post and in other posts he's suggested something else: "industry driven sales" &#38; "institutional buyers". My complaint is this: No such think exists. For the life of me I don't know what "industry driven sales". I don't know who these "institional buyers" are.

It's news to me that the industry can manipulate sales so that a album can be #1 for two weeks in a row. I've challenged our host to prove his assertions. The challange still stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nahanni, you make some good points. But what your ultimately describing is the effect of publicity and marketing on product sales. Needless to say, this is nothing new. It&#8217;s what publicity campaigns are designed to do: sell.</p>
<p>And if almost every top-selling movie, book and CD sold can be explained away publicity driven (and it can) than the reason negates itself.</p>
<p>To further reinforce your point, I do think that there were some curiosity sales and even some politicialy driven sales  but certainly not enough to place the album at #1 for two weeks in a row. To reinforce that: For the last two weeks, the Dixie Chicks have sold more albums than any other recording artist in the United States. In my book, thats a success.</p>
<p>But this is moot since this is not the point out host is making. In this post and in other posts he&#8217;s suggested something else: &#8220;industry driven sales&#8221; &amp; &#8220;institutional buyers&#8221;. My complaint is this: No such think exists. For the life of me I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;industry driven sales&#8221;. I don&#8217;t know who these &#8220;institional buyers&#8221; are.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s news to me that the industry can manipulate sales so that a album can be #1 for two weeks in a row. I&#8217;ve challenged our host to prove his assertions. The challange still stands.
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