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Murtha v. Murtha
June 19th, 2006 8:18 am

They both served in the military. They’re both named John. They’re both put forth by the Democrats as an unquestionable mouthpiece on the Iraq war. And they both advance completely contradictory positions for the sake of political advancement. No, this isn’t John Kerry vs. John Murtha. This is John Murtha vs. John Murtha.

This is from the Epilogue of Murtha’s 2004 book, From Vietnam to 9/11:

a war initiated on faulty intelligence must not be followed by a premature withdrawal of our troops based on a political timetable. An untimely exit could rapidly devolve into a civil war, which would leave America’s foreign policy in disarray as countries question not only America’s judgment but also its perseverance.

(Hat tip to Michelle for the story and video from ExposeTheLeft)

But here’s a press release from Murtha’s own Congressional website on November 15, 2005:

I believe before the Iraqi elections, scheduled for mid December, the Iraqi people and the emerging government must be put on notice that the United States will immediately redeploy.

And here’s the actual resolution he put before Congress:

Therefore be it

1) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in
2) Congress assembled,
3) That:
4) Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy.

And then his followup statement on December 23, 2005:

We have to give the Iraqis a timetable to take charge of their own destiny.

So, according to John Murtha, we should give the Iraqis a “premature political timetable for our withdrawal” that will help Iraq “rapidly devolve into a civil war, which would leave America’s foreign policy in disarray as countries question not only America’s judgment but also its perseverance.”

Of course, let’s not forget, this is the same John Murtha than advocated cutting and running from Somalia.

There’s a sound foreign policy from the Left.

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Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) had yet another appearance on the Sunday morning talk shows and boy was it a doozy.

Trackback by A Blog For All — 10:43 am
In all of this. From the veery begining, I have not seen anyone mention, nor have I forgotten, that Murtha, et.al. are attempting to manage the war. They believe that a) thy know better then the professionals who are actually on the ground, and b) continue to cry seperation of powers as they attempt time and again to short-circuit the executive branch.

Murtha has fully lost all sense of reality, what little there was that he may have previously retained.

Comment by Rich in Martigues — 1:36 pm
here are some quote for you by people who dare question the President in a time of war.

“You can support the troops but not the president.”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.”
–Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
–Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

“[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
–Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

“American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.”
–Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
–Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
–Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
–Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

Comment by thomas — 3:30 pm
Thanks, Thomas. Of course, Kosovo had nothing to do with U.S. interests or security. But thanks for playing.

Comment by Texas Rainmaker — 5:17 pm
‘Twisted’ Jack Murtha: US more dangerous than Nork nukes

American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.I think jazz singer Annie Ross

Trackback by Mike's Noise — 6:55 am
As of the date and time stamp of this posting the following is correct:
The original first paragraph written by Elizabeth Baier at the Sun-Sentinel has been removed. Since their original correction to their story and my constant vigilance and the constantly updated reporting at theinfozone.net, they have rewritten this entire original article.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story

What distinguishes this as unique is that though newspapers certainly update stories all the time, but when doing so, they are required by standard journalism practice to make clear it’s a revision, stating prominently at the top this story is a revision and updating the date of the article to the date of the revision. They have done neither.

Any impression created by this posting that this indicates that the Sun-Sentinel is covering up what they started by making all the uproar of this week over something that “never happened” is not my intent here. (legal disclaimers have become necessary)

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

Comment by chancuff — 8:42 pm
Looking at the large number of blog posts I’ve placed throughout the blogsphere in the last 2 weeks, I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking they look like spam.

My apologies to all.

Some interesting things happened today. I received an email response from Bill Pasco(e) of Diana Irey’s campaign against John Murtha for the 12th District of Pennsylvania seat in the House of Representatives.

In responding Mr. Pascoe’s email, I found it useful to CC that response to him to Elizabeth Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause (Managing Editor Sun-Sentinel).

The topic of those emails was “Rovian Architecture Unplugged”. If you are interested to learn more, feel free to write them.

Make “Rovian Architechure Unplugged” your subject heading so they know what your inquiry is about.

Their email addresses:

Bill Pascoe phone: (724) 258-2300

bill@irey.com

Elizabeth Baier

ebaier@sun-sentinel.com

Sharon Rosenhause

srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

Comment by chancuff — 11:36 pm
Despite an email warning to Mr. Pasco to contact Sharon Rosenhause, Managing Editor at the Sun-Sentinel, irey.com continues to maintain this page.

“Is Murtha channeling Marty McFly? Congressman’s June 27 press release magically includes information from … June 28?”

http://www.irey.com/news/Read.aspx?Id=61

In my email exchange with Mr. Pasco yesterday he attempted to float this clever headline with me in an email. I responded to him with this:

—————————————————————————-
If you really want to follow this “rapid crash journalism” course of action of yours, let me assist you in doing so properly. This is John Murtha’s original press release issued by Cindy Abram on June 27th.

http://theinfozone.net/PDFfiles/MurthaPressRelease.pdf
…
You can understand why Cindy Abram updated Mr. Murtha’s press release from the 27th now, I presume. After all, most would conclude that the Sun-Sentinel, who created this mess to start with, was in a better position to fix what Elizabeth Baier broke than theinfozone.net.

Please note: Ms. Baier as well as her editor Ms. Rosenhause are recipients of this email.

Mr Pasco(sic), perhaps they will be gracious enough to assist you towards a more lucid understanding of your “Marty McFly” insight.
—————————————————————————-

Apparently Mr. Bill Pascoe puts more faith in continuing his slander strategy than makes sense.

Ms Rosenhause has her own special part in this. The Sun-Sentinel has removed their retraction … the correction that rewrote the “the shot heard around the world” first paragraph. The Sun-Sentinel has suddenly placed it in their paid archives, removing it from public domain. The only way you will find the unethical rewrite (still in public domain) is through google cache. You may wish to contact her as well.

For the sake of clarity, inquiries regarding THIS turn of events should include the Subject Line: Mr. Bill

Bill Pascoe
bill@irey.com
phone: (724) 258-2300

Sharon Rosenhause
srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com
phone: (954) 425-1200

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

Comment by chancuff — 1:00 pm
UPDATE:

http://factcheck.org/article415.html

This is the origination of this Lincoln “quote”:

http://www.arthuravenuebronx.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1472

that ran in INSIGHT magazine

http://www.insightmag.com/

… which is part of News World Communications (see bottom of page in link above) a wholly owned political mouthpiece of the Unification Church, the “Moonies”.

http://www.mediaowners.com/company/newsworld.html

I wrote Diana Irey offering her documented proof of what Lincoln never said, CCing all her campaign staff on, first on July 14th, and again on August 4th.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:c2Ea_lZbzXgJ:community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4871074/m/664107374+%22Rovian+Architecture+Unplugged:+The+Waller/Romerstein+Edition%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

I wrote her, and her staff, repeatedly warning them of the consequences of their inaction. If you’d like verification, write her campaign manager of record (Bill Pascoe, former Press Secretary of the RNC, is calling the shots behind the scenes) at jason@irey.com and ask him about my repeated warnings.

If you choose to write, use this as the Subject Line “It’s showtime.”. He’ll know exactly what that means.

When all these efforts failed, I contacted factcheck.org with this very same evidence. Brooks Jackson was able to see what Ms. Irey, and her entire campaign staff refused to.

He published this, last Friday:

http://factcheck.org/article415.html
(note the video clip in the top right corner)

I will leave you to your own moral compass for judgement regarding Bill Pascoe’s “within hours” response here:

http://www.irey.com/news/contentview.asp?c=35681

In conclusion, it warrants mentioning how this “Moonie” Lincoln quote came into common use, without any questions to its authenticity.

Use Google to do a search for this quote. Go back 10-15 pages and you’ll find the older dates of its use. You’ll discover it was the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth who brought this fiction to life within weeks of Dr. Waller’s article.

You will find Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com has dusted off this Moonie quote and is using it for his “Revival Tent Pass the Collection Plate” scheme, all over the net, including this gem written the chairman of Bailey’s PAC, in which it is used twice, for emphasis:

http://www.thereaganwing.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PagEd&file=index&page_id=538

It’s no accident that Diana Irey was boons-waggled into using it.

Bill Pascoe and Kelli Phiel are the folks Robert Novak refers to as her “handlers” in this article:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15820&o=ENPR003

“Irey, who looks quite young, is a bit green, but her handlers see her as great raw material.”

I’ll give a dollar to anyone who can decipher the grammar, syntax, period occurring in the middle of the sentence, and random capitalization that occurs in the last sentence of this article.

If you are unfamiliar with who Pascoe and Phiel are, let me introduce you.

Pascoe is the gent who hung tough with Jack Ryan, even after Dennis Hastert rightfully withdrew all GOP support for him in 2004, when Ryan was exposed for insisting his wife go to sex clubs with him and have sex in public.

“”Jack Ryan is in the race to stay,” said Bill Pascoe, Ryan’s spokesman.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0406250361jun25,1,933334.story

Pascoe also the one who called Alan Keyes and convinced him to move from Maryland to Illinois, to replace Ryan. I’ll let you Google that, and for Kelli Phiel’s history working with Pascoe in the 2004 election.

I wish I could tell you I hadn’t warned Diana Irey repeatedly about her “handlers” past, but that would not be true.

Buzz Patterson used this “Moonie” quote at a chapter heading in his book, Reckless Disregard. If you own a copy, check page 65. He was not the only retired military man to adopt this Republican operative’s invention. Ollie North did too:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0974579335&id=dQipO2AmNrUC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=oliver+north+lincoln+%22congressmen+who+willfully%22&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=fBfOMtFSxlavNGKBMbFtreMEwfo

Least you wonder about my interest in all this …

My family settled in what is now the 12th District of Pennsylvania in 1820, and have lived there ever since.

My great, great grandfather, after whom I am named in honor of, served in Lincoln’s Union Army. He made the supreme sacrifice for our country on March 23, 1862, serving Stonewall Jackson he only defeat in the Civil war.

Lincoln was, to borrow a title, “A Uniter”

When some goofball Republican operative abuses the reputation of our greatest Republican president, in a Moonie publication no less, for the expressed purpose of political gain for today’s Republican Party … it troubles me.

I suspect it will trouble you, too.

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

For late breaking cat-herding news regarding these noodlehead Republicans:
http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums?a=userposts&sortType=1&u=679108164

Comment by chancuff — 11:44 am
LARRY BAILEY (BOOTMURTHA.COM) OCTOBER 1ST RALLY IN JOHNSTOWN, PA.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Cliff Hancuff
September 29, 2006 Journalismisflat@aol.com

“American troops could be home now, except for critical mistakes by our current Commander in Chief,” charges Cliff Hancuff, Director of The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too.

“Media and right-wing bloggers are ignoring this fact. For weeks I have been challenging political activists and journalists to act with a minimum of ethical standards,” continued Hancuff.

“I became involved when the Sun-Sentinel in Florida reported that Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) said the U.S. poses the top threat to world peace. I watched in dismay as the media and bloggers worldwide reported on this misquote.”

“My involvement continued when I discovered Diana Irey, John Murtha’s political opponent, had attacked Murtha using a fictional quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln.”

“Larry Bailey of bootmurtha.com is continuing his three year blind support of our current Commander in Chief’s incompetence in war. President Bush declared war in Iraq without the 4th Infantry, our most lethal, modern, and deployable heavy division in the world,” added Hancuff.

This mistake lead to the atrocity of Al Qaqaa. Iraqi insurgents stole hundreds of tons of high explosives to be used as weaponry.

“These are the explosives being used by Iraqi insurgents and al Qaeda to perpetuate the war in Iraq.”

“I am distressed that the same issues ignored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004 are being ignored again in 2006,” said Hancuff adding, “Americans, American soldiers and their families deserve better.”

“Without these critical mistakes made by our current Commander in Chief, our American troops would be home with their loved ones, with honor, right now.”

On October 1, 2006 Hancuff be at the Cambria County War Memorial Arena located in Johnstown Pennsylvania for Larry Bailey’s Swiftboating of John Murtha rally. It is there Hancuff will continue his wait for Mr. Bailey to recall the values of honor and integrity taught him by our US Navy.

There is a youtube.com video online at:

YouTube - Rovian Architecture Unplugged

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5jcyHokFyE

The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

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