Comments on: NYTimes: Documents Reveal Iraq Was “On the Verge of Building an Atom Bomb” http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/ When I wake up I read the Bible and the newspaper... because I want to know what both sides are up to. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:27:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: forrest http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16396 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:04:07 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16396 I've said it before on this thread, I'll say it again. The real issue about these plans being leaked isn't justification about the Iraq war, thats simply a matter of "I told you so". The real issue here is what needs to be done to prevent such a reckless endangerment of American citizens and nuclear nonprofileration in the futhre. John/OS, I am curious, what do you believe the penalty should be for the people who ordered these documents to be posted online, keeping in mind that they were available to anyone with an internet connection? Which obviously includes many terrorist organizations. And also remember that nuclear material is becoming more widespread everyday with Iran possessing facilities to create, NK having it, India and Pakistan possessing nuclear weapons, and Russian nuclear siloes not protected sufficiently. I’ve said it before on this thread, I’ll say it again. The real issue about these plans being leaked isn’t justification about the Iraq war, thats simply a matter of “I told you so”. The real issue here is what needs to be done to prevent such a reckless endangerment of American citizens and nuclear nonprofileration in the futhre.

John/OS, I am curious, what do you believe the penalty should be for the people who ordered these documents to be posted online, keeping in mind that they were available to anyone with an internet connection? Which obviously includes many terrorist organizations. And also remember that nuclear material is becoming more widespread everyday with Iran possessing facilities to create, NK having it, India and Pakistan possessing nuclear weapons, and Russian nuclear siloes not protected sufficiently.

]]> by: endorendil http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16371 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:20:35 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16371 OS. Online, you can't establish credibility beyond the consistency and factuality of your arguments. Arguing about who I am is pointless, and irrelevant to any serious discussion. Hence, no response to ad hominem questions. OS. Online, you can’t establish credibility beyond the consistency and factuality of your arguments. Arguing about who I am is pointless, and irrelevant to any serious discussion. Hence, no response to ad hominem questions.

]]> by: endorendil http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16358 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:40:05 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16358 Why did they attack Iraq? Because they fooled themselves into thinking that it would be easy, and that the result could only be this great beacon for democracy in the Middle East. The US's enemies would wither, and a new American century would begin. The victorious army would threaten Iran and it would collapse or be similarly overthrown. They just got into a group-think mode where dissent was slowly eliminated, in meeting after grueling meeting. By the time the decision was made, there was no choice anymore, at least for them: there were no alternatives left. That's why they got so upset when they encountered scepticism, and why it took so long for realism to seep into their policies. Why did they attack Iraq? Because they fooled themselves into thinking that it would be easy, and that the result could only be this great beacon for democracy in the Middle East. The US’s enemies would wither, and a new American century would begin. The victorious army would threaten Iran and it would collapse or be similarly overthrown.

They just got into a group-think mode where dissent was slowly eliminated, in meeting after grueling meeting. By the time the decision was made, there was no choice anymore, at least for them: there were no alternatives left. That’s why they got so upset when they encountered scepticism, and why it took so long for realism to seep into their policies.

]]> by: Old Soldier http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16328 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:35:34 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16328 <i>”OS, it is both bad to attack a country on the basis that it has WMD when the evidence was against it,…”</i> Nice post mortem, but not relevant to the time the decisions were made (as SR pointed out). <i>”I don’t answer ad hominem questions…”</i> So a direct question to establish credibility is ad hominem? Presuming that I must respect you as an authority (without question) is arrogant beyond belief. Is I-John-Kerry your brother? ”OS, it is both bad to attack a country on the basis that it has WMD when the evidence was against it,…”

Nice post mortem, but not relevant to the time the decisions were made (as SR pointed out).

”I don’t answer ad hominem questions…”

So a direct question to establish credibility is ad hominem? Presuming that I must respect you as an authority (without question) is arrogant beyond belief. Is I-John-Kerry your brother?

]]> by: Judith http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16290 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 06:08:01 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16290 Why do intelligent people argue with idiots?? With the hate chasm that developed after 2001, there is no conversation to be had. If we lose the Congress, I will never acknowledge that these amoral people even exist. They are just so much flotsam and jetsom. Why do intelligent people argue with idiots?? With the hate chasm that developed after 2001, there is no conversation to be had. If we lose the Congress, I will never acknowledge that these amoral people even exist. They are just so much flotsam and jetsom.

]]> by: SouthernRoots http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16234 Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:10:48 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16234 So endorendil, I am curious, why do you think Bush went into Iraq? So endorendil, I am curious, why do you think Bush went into Iraq?

]]> by: Texas Rainmaker http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16195 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:29:33 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16195 Ok, endo, so tell me why the resumption of hostile activities occured in March, 2003. Ok, endo, so tell me why the resumption of hostile activities occured in March, 2003.

]]> by: endorendil http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16194 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:20:52 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16194 TR, that's even funnier than the Agenda for the 2008 DNC. TR, that’s even funnier than the Agenda for the 2008 DNC.

]]> by: Texas Rainmaker http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16193 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:16:06 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16193 "<b><i>#16 SR, did they start a war over it?</i></b>" No, and neither did Bush. The war was started on August 2, 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Hostile activities were paused pursuant to U.N. resolution 688 in exchange for Iraq's cooperation with U.N. inspectors and humanitarian organizations. After 12 years and countless additional resolutions going ignored by the regime, hostile activities were resumed as a result of the non-compliance. “#16 SR, did they start a war over it?”

No, and neither did Bush. The war was started on August 2, 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Hostile activities were paused pursuant to U.N. resolution 688 in exchange for Iraq’s cooperation with U.N. inspectors and humanitarian organizations. After 12 years and countless additional resolutions going ignored by the regime, hostile activities were resumed as a result of the non-compliance.

]]> by: endorendil http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16188 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:45:21 +0000 http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/11/03/nytimes-documents-reveal-iraq-was-on-the-verge-of-building-an-atom-bomb/#comment-16188 #16 SR, did they start a war over it? #16 SR, did they start a war over it?

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