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		<title>by: Bad Credit Payday Loans</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-302097</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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When I came to this page I was impressed by the layout but the content is also good and on topic. This is a good quality page. Keep It up.</description>
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<p>When I came to this page I was impressed by the layout but the content is also good and on topic. This is a good quality page. Keep It up.
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		<title>by: Texas Rainmaker &#187; Jesse Jackson: Feds Obligated to Bailout Irresponsible Borrowers</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-138140</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] While we&#8217;re on the subject of obligation, how about we discuss the contractual obligation of those who borrowed more than they should have? How about we take a look at those who did not take personal responsibility, like the rest of us, to borrow within their means? Why is it the government&#8217;s responsibility to now come in and help these overextended debtors get a better deal? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] While we&#8217;re on the subject of obligation, how about we discuss the contractual obligation of those who borrowed more than they should have? How about we take a look at those who did not take personal responsibility, like the rest of us, to borrow within their means? Why is it the government&#8217;s responsibility to now come in and help these overextended debtors get a better deal? [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: endorendil</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53448</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53448</guid>
					<description>BWH, friends of mine paid 450,000 for a small two-bedroom condo seven years ago. Granted, it was in Silicon Valley, but it was in a non-descript residential community in the midst of the concrete jungle. Great scenic views of three major highways too... There are some absolutely insane housing markets out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BWH, friends of mine paid 450,000 for a small two-bedroom condo seven years ago. Granted, it was in Silicon Valley, but it was in a non-descript residential community in the midst of the concrete jungle. Great scenic views of three major highways too&#8230; There are some absolutely insane housing markets out there.
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		<title>by: endorendil</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53445</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OS - lenders indeed approve those kind of loans now. It used to be that you could only use about 30% of your available income, but those days are long gone. That is actually somewhat warranted because essentials make up a smaller percentage of household budgets, leaving more room for housing costs. But it appears that the broker made it look like there was only one person, with a household income of 60 to 80 K$, in stead of 4 people.

If the house were worth what they paid for it, and if the loan had really been at the best available rate, the two families would have been building equity like mad, at great personal cost. They were willing to go without essentials (and had to when the payments went up), all in order to save money for their future. This is what we want immigrants to do, no?  How many stories have you heard about American immigrants, working through incredible hardship in order to build their lives... it's the American dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OS - lenders indeed approve those kind of loans now. It used to be that you could only use about 30% of your available income, but those days are long gone. That is actually somewhat warranted because essentials make up a smaller percentage of household budgets, leaving more room for housing costs. But it appears that the broker made it look like there was only one person, with a household income of 60 to 80 K$, in stead of 4 people.</p>
<p>If the house were worth what they paid for it, and if the loan had really been at the best available rate, the two families would have been building equity like mad, at great personal cost. They were willing to go without essentials (and had to when the payments went up), all in order to save money for their future. This is what we want immigrants to do, no?  How many stories have you heard about American immigrants, working through incredible hardship in order to build their lives&#8230; it&#8217;s the American dream.
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		<title>by: Big White Hat</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53418</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53418</guid>
					<description>$720K for a four bedroom?  There is more wrong with this than just the mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$720K for a four bedroom?  There is more wrong with this than just the mortgage.
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		<title>by: Old Soldier</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53388</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53388</guid>
					<description>I fail to see how a $60,000 combined annual income could possibly qualify for a $560,000 to $720,000 mortgage.  Even considering the buyer estimate of "affording" a $3000/mo mortgage payment with a $5000/mo income; what lending institution would approve a loan where the payments will consume 60% of available monthly income?

I acknowledge a rotten realty agent and possibly complicit broker; but it seems the buyers were trying to take advantage of an "it's too good to be true" deal which in fact turned out to be "too good to be true!"

Many people try to live beyond their means with the same results - they cannot sustain it for long!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see how a $60,000 combined annual income could possibly qualify for a $560,000 to $720,000 mortgage.  Even considering the buyer estimate of &#8220;affording&#8221; a $3000/mo mortgage payment with a $5000/mo income; what lending institution would approve a loan where the payments will consume 60% of available monthly income?</p>
<p>I acknowledge a rotten realty agent and possibly complicit broker; but it seems the buyers were trying to take advantage of an &#8220;it&#8217;s too good to be true&#8221; deal which in fact turned out to be &#8220;too good to be true!&#8221;</p>
<p>Many people try to live beyond their means with the same results - they cannot sustain it for long!
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		<title>by: endorendil</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53372</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53372</guid>
					<description>Notes in the margin: 

Of course the loan wasn't made based on a 15,000 yearly income, but on about 60,000 or more (household income, even though the mortgage was made out to only one person).

Of course the families knew what they could afford. Their budget for the mortgage was 3000 per month. They didn't realise that the broker and real estate agent were lying when they said that this loan would cost them only 3000 a month.

Since the house was apparently worth 150 grand less than the real estate agent and broker valued it at, perhaps these families could have afforded to pay for it if the valuation had been more realistic...</description>
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<p>Of course the loan wasn&#8217;t made based on a 15,000 yearly income, but on about 60,000 or more (household income, even though the mortgage was made out to only one person).</p>
<p>Of course the families knew what they could afford. Their budget for the mortgage was 3000 per month. They didn&#8217;t realise that the broker and real estate agent were lying when they said that this loan would cost them only 3000 a month.</p>
<p>Since the house was apparently worth 150 grand less than the real estate agent and broker valued it at, perhaps these families could have afforded to pay for it if the valuation had been more realistic&#8230;
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		<title>by: endorendil</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53366</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53366</guid>
					<description>TR, it's a poverty issue because poverty is what forces these people to think of immediate issues of survival, leaving them no time to think about learning English or working up on their financial savvy. Reading a legal contract, especially a financial one, can be challenging for the fluent or even the native speaker.

So these two families (that pooled the money for this house) were hoodwinked by believing their real estate agent that lied about the mortgage rates, and found false security in the fact that their broker approved the loan. 

Stupid? No. They didn't have the knowledge to know that US lenders are willing to take huge risks in approving loans, meaning that the approval was worthless. They didn't know that some real-estate agents lie and cheat to get the sale. 

Naive? Yes, quite a bit, with the extenuating circumstances that they are poor and are immigrants. But nothing excuses the immoral (and possibly illegal) behaviour of the real-estate agent and broker. 

Those lending institutions that simply made mistakes in their risk-assessment models are being punished correctly: by bankruptcy. Their stock holders and employees may think it's unfair, but it isn't - not necessarily. It is of course quite likely that some of these lenders have been knowingly painting a rosier picture, either because they wanted to keep increasing their business, or because they wanted to hide the problems after they became aware of them.

It may also come as a shock to non-Californians, but Spanish is a legal language in California, in the sense that every legal document needs to be made available in Spanish if the negotiations were done in Spanish. Except real estate documents. It's a legal loophole that needs to be closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR, it&#8217;s a poverty issue because poverty is what forces these people to think of immediate issues of survival, leaving them no time to think about learning English or working up on their financial savvy. Reading a legal contract, especially a financial one, can be challenging for the fluent or even the native speaker.</p>
<p>So these two families (that pooled the money for this house) were hoodwinked by believing their real estate agent that lied about the mortgage rates, and found false security in the fact that their broker approved the loan. </p>
<p>Stupid? No. They didn&#8217;t have the knowledge to know that US lenders are willing to take huge risks in approving loans, meaning that the approval was worthless. They didn&#8217;t know that some real-estate agents lie and cheat to get the sale. </p>
<p>Naive? Yes, quite a bit, with the extenuating circumstances that they are poor and are immigrants. But nothing excuses the immoral (and possibly illegal) behaviour of the real-estate agent and broker. </p>
<p>Those lending institutions that simply made mistakes in their risk-assessment models are being punished correctly: by bankruptcy. Their stock holders and employees may think it&#8217;s unfair, but it isn&#8217;t - not necessarily. It is of course quite likely that some of these lenders have been knowingly painting a rosier picture, either because they wanted to keep increasing their business, or because they wanted to hide the problems after they became aware of them.</p>
<p>It may also come as a shock to non-Californians, but Spanish is a legal language in California, in the sense that every legal document needs to be made available in Spanish if the negotiations were done in Spanish. Except real estate documents. It&#8217;s a legal loophole that needs to be closed.
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		<title>by: djernigan</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53277</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53277</guid>
					<description>Gee jtreacher - I'm so, so , so sorry for the "constantant" typo.  Will you ever forgive me??

And in the second paragraph - "Support" should be "make" - so string me up and ignore what I say for sloppiness. Again - I'm, sooooo sorry.  

But no - I am not simply concerned with how some people are better off than others.  Nor even wit hhow some people who are well off take advantage of those who are less well off (which is very distinct from the first - but leave it to right-wingers to try and conflate the two).  No - it is about how Tex just LOVES stories about how DUMB (or immoral, or criminal) non-english speaking (especially, illegal) mexican-americans are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee jtreacher - I&#8217;m so, so , so sorry for the &#8220;constantant&#8221; typo.  Will you ever forgive me??</p>
<p>And in the second paragraph - &#8220;Support&#8221; should be &#8220;make&#8221; - so string me up and ignore what I say for sloppiness. Again - I&#8217;m, sooooo sorry.  </p>
<p>But no - I am not simply concerned with how some people are better off than others.  Nor even wit hhow some people who are well off take advantage of those who are less well off (which is very distinct from the first - but leave it to right-wingers to try and conflate the two).  No - it is about how Tex just LOVES stories about how DUMB (or immoral, or criminal) non-english speaking (especially, illegal) mexican-americans are.
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		<title>by: jtreacher</title>
		<link>http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/04/13/no-comprende-personal-responsibility/#comment-53258</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What I think djernigan is trying to say is that... um... sorry, I'm not really sure. That some people are better off than others, which is totally unfair? Something like that, probably. Plus the constantant conflation. Spread the hate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think djernigan is trying to say is that&#8230; um&#8230; sorry, I&#8217;m not really sure. That some people are better off than others, which is totally unfair? Something like that, probably. Plus the constantant conflation. Spread the hate!
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